1 00:00:02,794 --> 00:00:04,294 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 2 00:00:04,295 --> 00:00:06,505 - My sister took me by the face and said, 3 00:00:06,506 --> 00:00:09,592 "Mommy's gone, mommy's gone, mommy's gone." 4 00:00:10,301 --> 00:00:13,303 - She was not the kind of young woman 5 00:00:13,304 --> 00:00:16,515 who would not call her mom, who would not show up home, 6 00:00:16,516 --> 00:00:19,144 and that something terrible must have happened. 7 00:00:20,186 --> 00:00:22,062 - Now we have three bodies. 8 00:00:22,063 --> 00:00:24,648 - They all have to be related. 9 00:00:24,649 --> 00:00:26,359 There's just too many bodies turning up. 10 00:00:26,985 --> 00:00:30,529 - There was much more stabbing done than what was necessary. 11 00:00:30,530 --> 00:00:33,365 - I'd never seen anything like that before. 12 00:00:33,366 --> 00:00:35,201 - Do we have a serial killer on our hands? 13 00:00:43,543 --> 00:00:51,051 ♪ 14 00:00:57,682 --> 00:00:59,725 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 15 00:00:59,726 --> 00:01:03,228 ♪ 16 00:01:03,229 --> 00:01:04,438 - Middletown, New York, 17 00:01:04,439 --> 00:01:06,982 is just outside the Catskill Mountains, 18 00:01:06,983 --> 00:01:08,525 north of New York City, 19 00:01:08,526 --> 00:01:12,196 that had its heyday in the '40s and '50s 20 00:01:12,197 --> 00:01:14,491 and had really fallen on hard times. 21 00:01:15,825 --> 00:01:17,910 Kind of seedy. Kind of sad. 22 00:01:17,911 --> 00:01:21,748 Kind of worn out and a little grim. 23 00:01:23,333 --> 00:01:26,001 - It was March 26, 1991, 24 00:01:26,002 --> 00:01:27,504 at approximately 10:00 a.m. 25 00:01:29,255 --> 00:01:31,256 I heard a call come in, indicating 26 00:01:31,257 --> 00:01:33,384 that two young people were walking along 27 00:01:33,385 --> 00:01:34,968 an old railroad bed, 28 00:01:34,969 --> 00:01:38,348 and they located a dead body. 29 00:01:40,475 --> 00:01:42,851 - The body was laying off the railroad-track bed 30 00:01:42,852 --> 00:01:44,019 down an embankment. 31 00:01:44,020 --> 00:01:45,938 She was a female, 32 00:01:45,939 --> 00:01:49,441 and she was laying faceup. 33 00:01:49,442 --> 00:01:50,985 - She was totally nude. 34 00:01:50,986 --> 00:01:53,278 She was stabbed beyond recognition. 35 00:01:53,279 --> 00:01:57,701 The body was found posed in a very unusual position. 36 00:01:59,369 --> 00:02:01,371 - Her belly was cut open. 37 00:02:02,330 --> 00:02:04,289 Her face was totally obliterated 38 00:02:04,290 --> 00:02:08,711 by a what appeared to be some edged to sharp weapon. 39 00:02:08,712 --> 00:02:10,629 I've never seen a face 40 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:14,884 literally destroyed by stab wounds before. 41 00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:17,594 It looked like somebody went berserk, 42 00:02:17,595 --> 00:02:19,304 just kept stabbing her and stabbing her 43 00:02:19,305 --> 00:02:22,599 repeatedly and repeatedly. 44 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,852 They appeared to be a personal attack 45 00:02:24,853 --> 00:02:26,478 because of the many stab wounds, 46 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:30,274 and maybe the killer was trying to hide her identity. 47 00:02:30,275 --> 00:02:32,276 - As a forensic psychologist. 48 00:02:32,277 --> 00:02:33,444 I would immediately 49 00:02:33,445 --> 00:02:35,904 have concerns about sadism there. 50 00:02:35,905 --> 00:02:38,824 Then, we also have her nude, 51 00:02:38,825 --> 00:02:42,036 and, then, she's posed in a way that is very sexual. 52 00:02:42,037 --> 00:02:44,997 It's a way that she's sort of played with postmortem, 53 00:02:44,998 --> 00:02:47,249 that the person was enjoying this, 54 00:02:47,250 --> 00:02:49,501 getting some kind of excitement from it. 55 00:02:49,502 --> 00:02:52,337 ♪ 56 00:02:52,338 --> 00:02:54,923 - The Middletown city police walked the area, 57 00:02:54,924 --> 00:02:58,093 looking for anything that might be of assistance, 58 00:02:58,094 --> 00:03:00,220 such as a murder weapon. 59 00:03:00,221 --> 00:03:02,515 But they didn't find anything. 60 00:03:04,267 --> 00:03:06,728 - Now the next thing was to find out who it is. 61 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,897 - Since she could not be recognized facially, 62 00:03:09,898 --> 00:03:13,150 the only identifiable marking on her body 63 00:03:13,151 --> 00:03:15,861 was a couple of tattoos on her arm. 64 00:03:15,862 --> 00:03:20,074 - One of the detectives recognized a tattoo 65 00:03:20,075 --> 00:03:23,160 from a previous disorderly conduct. 66 00:03:23,161 --> 00:03:25,079 And he went back to headquarters, 67 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,622 and he looked it up, and sure enough, 68 00:03:26,623 --> 00:03:29,750 he was able to match that particular tattoo on her arm 69 00:03:29,751 --> 00:03:35,882 with Juliana Frank, age 29, from Middletown. 70 00:03:37,133 --> 00:03:42,137 It was emotional, because I personally knew Juliana Frank, 71 00:03:42,138 --> 00:03:43,806 and I didn't recognize her. 72 00:03:43,807 --> 00:03:47,434 I knew her mom and dad, her brother. 73 00:03:47,435 --> 00:03:49,269 She would hang out downtown. 74 00:03:49,270 --> 00:03:50,813 And if I parked my car, she would come over 75 00:03:50,814 --> 00:03:52,815 and say hello to my partner and I. 76 00:03:52,816 --> 00:03:54,526 She was a good person. 77 00:03:55,568 --> 00:03:59,906 And it's sad when you actually know the person and the family. 78 00:04:01,074 --> 00:04:03,450 - That day, my phone rings. 79 00:04:03,451 --> 00:04:05,327 That was my mother-in-law. 80 00:04:05,328 --> 00:04:06,870 And all's I hear was, 81 00:04:06,871 --> 00:04:11,251 "Julie's dead! The cops just told me Julie's dead!" 82 00:04:12,836 --> 00:04:15,879 Don't remember anything after that. 83 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,297 It was very devastating. 84 00:04:17,298 --> 00:04:18,465 [ Down-tempo music plays ] 85 00:04:18,466 --> 00:04:20,552 Julie was my best friend. 86 00:04:21,803 --> 00:04:25,889 Very pretty, and she did have such blue eyes. 87 00:04:25,890 --> 00:04:28,308 Never saw her in a bad mood. 88 00:04:28,309 --> 00:04:31,021 Julie in most parts was making you laugh. 89 00:04:32,230 --> 00:04:33,689 Julie had two sons. 90 00:04:33,690 --> 00:04:38,694 10-year-old and she had another younger boy, 4, 91 00:04:38,695 --> 00:04:41,530 And she was about 4 months' pregnant, 92 00:04:41,531 --> 00:04:43,449 but she was single. 93 00:04:43,450 --> 00:04:45,492 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 94 00:04:45,493 --> 00:04:50,164 When I met Julie, I was in a pretty bad spot, 95 00:04:50,165 --> 00:04:53,959 and Julie was always there for me. 96 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,421 I knew that she had my back at all times. 97 00:04:57,422 --> 00:04:59,799 And I had her back at all times. 98 00:05:02,093 --> 00:05:05,596 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 99 00:05:05,597 --> 00:05:07,598 - I attended the autopsy. 100 00:05:07,599 --> 00:05:11,310 That's when I found out that Juliana Frank was pregnant. 101 00:05:11,311 --> 00:05:17,858 The body of the little baby was still enveloped in the belly, 102 00:05:17,859 --> 00:05:20,987 although the belly was cut wide-open. 103 00:05:21,905 --> 00:05:25,575 To see that really, really hurt me very much. 104 00:05:28,161 --> 00:05:29,787 They determined that Julie 105 00:05:29,788 --> 00:05:32,122 was stabbed 47 times throughout her body, 106 00:05:32,123 --> 00:05:36,835 multiple organs were in fact lacerated, punctured. 107 00:05:36,836 --> 00:05:39,505 The forensic pathologist believed there might have been 108 00:05:39,506 --> 00:05:42,341 a kitchen knife that caused the injuries. 109 00:05:42,342 --> 00:05:48,889 And there was a diagonal cut in her belly, causing it to open. 110 00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:50,849 - Because of the nature of the wound, 111 00:05:50,850 --> 00:05:53,143 one has to wonder as to whether or not 112 00:05:53,144 --> 00:05:55,772 the murderer knew that she was pregnant. 113 00:05:57,023 --> 00:05:58,691 - At that point, I said, 114 00:05:58,692 --> 00:06:01,235 "I believe we have a monster on our hands." 115 00:06:01,236 --> 00:06:02,861 It was unconscionable to think 116 00:06:02,862 --> 00:06:06,950 that somebody would be able to do that, even in a fit of rage. 117 00:06:07,867 --> 00:06:10,744 - There was no physical evidence she was sexually assaulted. 118 00:06:10,745 --> 00:06:13,372 - Because she was pregnant, 119 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:16,917 we definitely wanted to focus on the person 120 00:06:16,918 --> 00:06:19,294 that was responsible for getting her pregnant. 121 00:06:19,295 --> 00:06:21,130 And we were thinking initially 122 00:06:21,131 --> 00:06:24,676 that maybe he didn't want the baby, she did. 123 00:06:26,678 --> 00:06:28,303 - We went to the family 124 00:06:28,304 --> 00:06:31,306 to determine who the father of the fetus might have been. 125 00:06:31,307 --> 00:06:36,020 - I told Detective Bernstein before she was taken from us, 126 00:06:36,021 --> 00:06:39,064 she got into an actual physical fight 127 00:06:39,065 --> 00:06:43,193 with the guy that we thought was the father of her unborn child. 128 00:06:43,194 --> 00:06:46,072 - So the next thing was to find him and talk to him. 129 00:06:47,282 --> 00:06:49,491 - But the father apparently was in Mexico 130 00:06:49,492 --> 00:06:51,493 during the time this murder took place, 131 00:06:51,494 --> 00:06:53,871 so he was immediately ruled out. 132 00:06:53,872 --> 00:06:56,165 ♪ 133 00:06:56,166 --> 00:06:58,417 - We went out, and we talked to several people 134 00:06:58,418 --> 00:07:00,169 where she would hang out, 135 00:07:00,170 --> 00:07:01,503 who she would be with. 136 00:07:01,504 --> 00:07:05,008 But we're not learning much at all. 137 00:07:07,177 --> 00:07:10,597 - The coroner told us we could go and view Julie. 138 00:07:12,307 --> 00:07:16,686 My husband asked to move the sheet away from her face. 139 00:07:18,229 --> 00:07:21,398 Never saw my husband cry. He was crying. 140 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:23,150 I'm on the floor. 141 00:07:23,151 --> 00:07:24,777 [ Down-tempo music plays ] 142 00:07:24,778 --> 00:07:28,072 I could go to the ground right now whenever I think about it. 143 00:07:28,073 --> 00:07:30,074 [ Dramatic music plays ] 144 00:07:30,075 --> 00:07:32,868 ♪ 145 00:07:32,869 --> 00:07:36,163 - The Middletown police, doing their due diligence, 146 00:07:36,164 --> 00:07:40,250 located a woman who had been a friend of Juliana Frank. 147 00:07:40,251 --> 00:07:46,131 - Angela, who was a 17-year-old female, was brought to the PD. 148 00:07:46,132 --> 00:07:50,135 - She told the police that she was present 149 00:07:50,136 --> 00:07:51,845 when somebody named Hector 150 00:07:51,846 --> 00:07:57,643 actually stabbed Juliana Frank in an apartment in Middletown. 151 00:07:57,644 --> 00:08:01,438 - We intentionally did not tell the newspaper media 152 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:03,649 how Julie was murdered, 153 00:08:03,650 --> 00:08:07,111 so we thought the story that Angela gave us 154 00:08:07,112 --> 00:08:08,863 could be credible. 155 00:08:09,781 --> 00:08:12,074 Hector was brought into the police headquarters 156 00:08:12,075 --> 00:08:13,200 to be questioned. 157 00:08:13,201 --> 00:08:15,077 And I have to say, 158 00:08:15,078 --> 00:08:18,622 I went at him the hardest I ever wanted anybody, 159 00:08:18,623 --> 00:08:20,624 where he actually got on his knees 160 00:08:20,625 --> 00:08:23,961 and he was begging for mercy from God 161 00:08:23,962 --> 00:08:26,840 and saying, "I did not kill her." 162 00:08:28,633 --> 00:08:30,051 - And I got a search warrant. 163 00:08:30,844 --> 00:08:34,221 They went out and using ultraviolet light and luminol 164 00:08:34,222 --> 00:08:36,141 to look for blood spatter. 165 00:08:38,143 --> 00:08:39,310 There was no blood. 166 00:08:41,021 --> 00:08:44,648 - We learned that he was with his girlfriend, 167 00:08:44,649 --> 00:08:48,277 and we were able to verify his alibi. 168 00:08:48,278 --> 00:08:51,531 I started believing him, that he was not involved. 169 00:08:53,074 --> 00:08:55,034 - So I went out, and I brought Angela in, 170 00:08:55,035 --> 00:08:57,578 sat her down, let her read her statement, 171 00:08:57,579 --> 00:08:59,663 and I cut through the fat. 172 00:08:59,664 --> 00:09:02,541 I said, "You were never there." 173 00:09:02,542 --> 00:09:07,129 And she started crying, and she said, "Yes." 174 00:09:07,130 --> 00:09:09,590 I said, "Angela, why did you do this? 175 00:09:09,591 --> 00:09:12,051 - She came up with some story that, 176 00:09:12,052 --> 00:09:14,178 "Well, that's what I thought you wanted me to say." 177 00:09:14,179 --> 00:09:16,638 We thought, "Well, it's more like 178 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:18,599 she had something out for Hector 179 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,225 and figured this would be a way 180 00:09:20,226 --> 00:09:22,686 to get him in some compromising position." 181 00:09:22,687 --> 00:09:26,232 So it was a dead end for the police. 182 00:09:28,234 --> 00:09:30,944 It was difficult, because you have limited resources 183 00:09:30,945 --> 00:09:33,906 and you're out chasing a lead that is a false lead. 184 00:09:33,907 --> 00:09:36,116 But they had no other leads at that point. 185 00:09:36,117 --> 00:09:38,994 - We interviewed probably hundreds of people. 186 00:09:38,995 --> 00:09:42,206 We were hoping somebody would come forward with something. 187 00:09:42,207 --> 00:09:44,375 But we came up with nothing. 188 00:09:44,376 --> 00:09:46,960 - The case goes cold for almost a year and a half. 189 00:09:46,961 --> 00:09:48,712 [ Down-tempo music plays ] 190 00:09:48,713 --> 00:09:50,923 - And July 10, 1992, 191 00:09:50,924 --> 00:09:53,926 police received a call about another murder 192 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:57,054 in a dwelling on Bonnell Avenue. 193 00:09:57,055 --> 00:09:59,473 - A friend of the woman that lives there 194 00:09:59,474 --> 00:10:00,891 went to check on her 195 00:10:00,892 --> 00:10:03,519 after not hearing from her through the night-- 196 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:04,854 or in the morning. 197 00:10:05,897 --> 00:10:08,357 Knocked on the door. Nobody answered. 198 00:10:08,358 --> 00:10:10,067 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 199 00:10:10,068 --> 00:10:11,402 And she walked in, 200 00:10:11,403 --> 00:10:13,404 and that's when she discovered Laurette Huggins, 201 00:10:13,405 --> 00:10:15,114 32 years of age, 202 00:10:15,115 --> 00:10:19,576 stabbed to death within the living room of her apartment. 203 00:10:19,577 --> 00:10:22,121 As soon as I walked in there, 204 00:10:22,122 --> 00:10:25,499 she was laying on the living-room floor, faceup, 205 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:27,793 and you could visibly see 206 00:10:27,794 --> 00:10:30,587 multiple stab wounds throughout her body. 207 00:10:30,588 --> 00:10:33,674 - The police found her naked and posed, 208 00:10:33,675 --> 00:10:35,300 with her legs spread open, 209 00:10:35,301 --> 00:10:40,264 the same manner in which the body of Juliana Frank was found. 210 00:10:40,265 --> 00:10:43,642 - Laurette Huggins was also stabbed in the face, 211 00:10:43,643 --> 00:10:45,644 just like Juliana Frank. 212 00:10:45,645 --> 00:10:48,522 [ Dramatic music plays ] 213 00:10:48,523 --> 00:10:50,107 - In Orange County, New York, 214 00:10:50,108 --> 00:10:54,361 you do not find two murders of that similar nature 215 00:10:54,362 --> 00:10:58,615 in the same city within a year of each other 216 00:10:58,616 --> 00:11:01,618 unless it's a single suspect. 217 00:11:01,619 --> 00:11:03,620 - We all thought at the time 218 00:11:03,621 --> 00:11:05,789 there's got to be a connection here. 219 00:11:05,790 --> 00:11:07,500 Has to be a connection. 220 00:11:08,335 --> 00:11:10,544 - He repeatedly bludgeons both of them 221 00:11:10,545 --> 00:11:13,422 until he became too physically exhausted 222 00:11:13,423 --> 00:11:16,425 to be able to beat them anymore. 223 00:11:16,426 --> 00:11:17,760 - This was a drop-dead exclusive. 224 00:11:17,761 --> 00:11:20,429 - We're live at the Orange County Jail. 225 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:22,473 - You never know what's going on 226 00:11:22,474 --> 00:11:24,350 in the mind of a serial killer. 227 00:11:30,982 --> 00:11:33,442 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 228 00:11:33,443 --> 00:11:35,444 - On July 10, 1992, 229 00:11:35,445 --> 00:11:38,530 Laurette Huggins was found murdered in her apartment 230 00:11:38,531 --> 00:11:43,035 almost a year and a half after Julie Frank's murder. 231 00:11:43,036 --> 00:11:45,788 - The same detective team responds 232 00:11:45,789 --> 00:11:49,583 and immediately noticed they were gruesomely similar-- 233 00:11:49,584 --> 00:11:52,086 the extreme number of stab wounds, 234 00:11:52,087 --> 00:11:53,671 the positioning of the bodies. 235 00:11:53,672 --> 00:11:56,882 The police found her naked and posed 236 00:11:56,883 --> 00:11:58,467 with her legs spread open, 237 00:11:58,468 --> 00:12:02,097 the same manner in which the body of Juliana Frank was found. 238 00:12:03,223 --> 00:12:05,391 There was no sign of forced entry, 239 00:12:05,392 --> 00:12:07,267 so the police would assume 240 00:12:07,268 --> 00:12:10,020 that it was somebody that was allowed in. 241 00:12:10,021 --> 00:12:12,065 Might have been someone that she knew. 242 00:12:13,566 --> 00:12:15,067 - The crime-scene unit 243 00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:17,695 discovered blood spatter around the house. 244 00:12:17,696 --> 00:12:20,447 So she was definitely killed in her home. 245 00:12:20,448 --> 00:12:25,077 The apartment was in disarray, as though a struggle took place. 246 00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:29,915 There were papers thrown about, pillows on the floor. 247 00:12:29,916 --> 00:12:31,583 - There was no murder weapon recovered, 248 00:12:31,584 --> 00:12:36,339 but Laurette Huggins is the victim of 40 or 50 stab wounds. 249 00:12:37,382 --> 00:12:39,049 They determined that the body 250 00:12:39,050 --> 00:12:41,552 was moved from the bedroom to the living room. 251 00:12:41,553 --> 00:12:44,471 But the stabbing appeared to have occurred in both rooms. 252 00:12:44,472 --> 00:12:47,850 - We really didn't know if he just kept stabbing her 253 00:12:47,851 --> 00:12:49,059 after she was killed. 254 00:12:49,060 --> 00:12:51,395 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 255 00:12:51,396 --> 00:12:52,771 ♪ 256 00:12:52,772 --> 00:12:56,108 - The amount of physicality involved 257 00:12:56,109 --> 00:12:59,611 would suggest that it was very emotionally-driven. 258 00:12:59,612 --> 00:13:02,865 ♪ 259 00:13:02,866 --> 00:13:05,951 - We found out from the person who discovered her 260 00:13:05,952 --> 00:13:08,787 that Laurette had three children all together-- 261 00:13:08,788 --> 00:13:10,080 two girls living here 262 00:13:10,081 --> 00:13:12,750 and a son back in her country, Saint Vincent. 263 00:13:12,751 --> 00:13:15,502 - My family was actually getting ready 264 00:13:15,503 --> 00:13:17,171 to move back to Saint Vincent. 265 00:13:17,172 --> 00:13:19,381 So that night, my sister and I 266 00:13:19,382 --> 00:13:22,301 were actually at a friend's home, spending the night. 267 00:13:22,302 --> 00:13:25,221 My mom stayed back to pack up the house 268 00:13:26,264 --> 00:13:28,057 And that next day, 269 00:13:28,058 --> 00:13:31,477 my friend's mom got a phone call, 270 00:13:31,478 --> 00:13:34,314 and she lets out this... 271 00:13:35,774 --> 00:13:37,316 crazy scream. 272 00:13:37,317 --> 00:13:39,401 [ Dramatic music plays ] 273 00:13:39,402 --> 00:13:40,778 And I remember my sister 274 00:13:40,779 --> 00:13:42,572 [voice breaking] took me by the face and said... 275 00:13:44,199 --> 00:13:46,033 "Mommy's gone. 276 00:13:46,034 --> 00:13:49,078 Mommy's gone, mommy's gone, mommy's gone." 277 00:13:49,079 --> 00:13:51,288 [ Down-tempo music plays ] 278 00:13:51,289 --> 00:13:54,166 ♪ 279 00:13:54,167 --> 00:13:56,543 I didn't fully understand. 280 00:13:56,544 --> 00:13:59,463 ♪ 281 00:13:59,464 --> 00:14:01,925 "What do you mean she's gone?" 282 00:14:03,718 --> 00:14:08,514 After that, I was whisked away to go live with my dad. 283 00:14:08,515 --> 00:14:10,183 I was 8. 284 00:14:11,768 --> 00:14:13,310 My mother was born 285 00:14:13,311 --> 00:14:15,145 in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. 286 00:14:15,146 --> 00:14:20,776 In the 1970s, she just wanted a better life. 287 00:14:20,777 --> 00:14:22,736 And that's why she came to New York. 288 00:14:22,737 --> 00:14:25,364 She met my father, got married. 289 00:14:25,365 --> 00:14:28,867 When I was about 2 years old, they got divorced, 290 00:14:28,868 --> 00:14:31,121 so she was a single mom of three. 291 00:14:32,288 --> 00:14:35,332 My mother was independent, hardworking. 292 00:14:35,333 --> 00:14:38,377 She worked for an insurance company. 293 00:14:38,378 --> 00:14:41,338 She always seemed to make it work. 294 00:14:41,339 --> 00:14:44,174 We never had a sense of lack in our life. 295 00:14:44,175 --> 00:14:48,178 She had this loud laugh that was so infectious, 296 00:14:48,179 --> 00:14:50,681 this great smile that you just knew-- 297 00:14:50,682 --> 00:14:53,350 It was like, "Gosh. You're an angel on Earth. 298 00:14:53,351 --> 00:14:54,935 "You really are something special." 299 00:14:54,936 --> 00:14:56,603 And I think she knew that, too, 300 00:14:56,604 --> 00:15:00,983 and she never left anybody not feeling just good. 301 00:15:00,984 --> 00:15:03,027 [ Dramatic music plays ] 302 00:15:03,028 --> 00:15:05,154 - The crime scene unit discovered 303 00:15:05,155 --> 00:15:09,575 that one of the moving boxes was actually an egg crate. 304 00:15:09,576 --> 00:15:14,163 And it was date-stamped with the day before. 305 00:15:14,164 --> 00:15:17,708 As a result of that, we knew she was alive the night before, 306 00:15:17,709 --> 00:15:19,419 and now she's dead. 307 00:15:20,378 --> 00:15:24,341 So within probably 15 hours, she was murdered. 308 00:15:25,258 --> 00:15:27,051 - At Laurette Huggins' crime scene, 309 00:15:27,052 --> 00:15:29,428 we also found a coat hanger, 310 00:15:29,429 --> 00:15:31,639 and there was an insert made out of paper. 311 00:15:32,557 --> 00:15:36,727 And on that was a thumbprint in blood. 312 00:15:36,728 --> 00:15:38,605 That was certainly significant. 313 00:15:41,733 --> 00:15:43,108 - The next morning, 314 00:15:43,109 --> 00:15:46,278 Laurette Huggins' autopsy was conducted 315 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:47,738 by a forensic pathologist. 316 00:15:47,739 --> 00:15:49,198 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 317 00:15:49,199 --> 00:15:50,491 Just like Julie Frank, 318 00:15:50,492 --> 00:15:53,078 there was no evidence of sexual assault. 319 00:15:53,912 --> 00:15:56,914 And there appeared to be the same type of weapon. 320 00:15:56,915 --> 00:16:00,042 - The difference was Laurette Huggins 321 00:16:00,043 --> 00:16:01,960 was not cut down the torso. 322 00:16:01,961 --> 00:16:05,339 ♪ 323 00:16:05,340 --> 00:16:07,424 - Over the next couple of days, 324 00:16:07,425 --> 00:16:11,261 we were trying to identify the killer through that fingerprint 325 00:16:11,262 --> 00:16:13,681 on that hanger, on the insert. 326 00:16:13,682 --> 00:16:16,183 Things back then weren't really computerized 327 00:16:16,184 --> 00:16:18,227 the way they are today. 328 00:16:18,228 --> 00:16:19,687 You had to come up with a suspect name 329 00:16:19,688 --> 00:16:21,648 and then match the prints. 330 00:16:22,941 --> 00:16:24,566 - We want to know who this is, 331 00:16:24,567 --> 00:16:27,236 but we had nothing at that time to compare it to. 332 00:16:27,237 --> 00:16:31,115 We requested any agency with anything similar, 333 00:16:31,116 --> 00:16:33,117 please contact us. 334 00:16:33,118 --> 00:16:34,118 We just had to wait. 335 00:16:34,119 --> 00:16:36,371 [ Birds chirping ] 336 00:16:38,498 --> 00:16:40,749 - On July 30, 337 00:16:40,750 --> 00:16:44,336 a civilian walking his dogs in an abandoned area 338 00:16:44,337 --> 00:16:46,714 reported a gruesome discovery of a woman. 339 00:16:46,715 --> 00:16:48,882 - The body was found in 340 00:16:48,883 --> 00:16:49,967 the neighboring town 341 00:16:49,968 --> 00:16:51,719 of Goshen, New York. 342 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,055 - The state police sent out an investigative team, 343 00:16:55,056 --> 00:16:58,892 finding the body of Adriane Hunter naked, 344 00:16:58,893 --> 00:17:00,853 posed with her legs open, 345 00:17:00,854 --> 00:17:02,730 the victim of multiple stab wounds 346 00:17:02,731 --> 00:17:05,274 in a secluded area, off the beaten track, 347 00:17:05,275 --> 00:17:08,528 same as Juliana Frank and Laurette Huggins. 348 00:17:10,196 --> 00:17:12,239 - Now we have three bodies. 349 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,951 The M.O. was pretty much the same in all three cases. 350 00:17:15,952 --> 00:17:18,454 They were all single women, dead body. 351 00:17:18,455 --> 00:17:21,081 as a result of multiple stab wounds, 352 00:17:21,082 --> 00:17:23,000 posed body, naked body. 353 00:17:23,001 --> 00:17:27,422 Those are the three factors that were all very similar. 354 00:17:28,298 --> 00:17:31,592 At that point. the question was imposed, 355 00:17:31,593 --> 00:17:34,137 do we have a serial killer on our hands? 356 00:17:37,182 --> 00:17:39,600 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 357 00:17:39,601 --> 00:17:42,519 - The District Attorney's office and law enforcement 358 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,104 were greatly concerned 359 00:17:44,105 --> 00:17:48,442 about three open murder cases with the same M.O.-- 360 00:17:48,443 --> 00:17:51,821 Juliana Frank, Laurette Huggins, and Adriane Hunter. 361 00:17:51,946 --> 00:17:54,573 ♪ 362 00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:56,283 - During the investigation, 363 00:17:56,284 --> 00:17:58,952 the detective from the city of Poughkeepsie 364 00:17:58,953 --> 00:18:00,871 came to our headquarters, 365 00:18:00,872 --> 00:18:02,831 and he indicated two ladies 366 00:18:02,832 --> 00:18:07,628 were missing from the Poughkeepsie, New York, area. 367 00:18:07,629 --> 00:18:09,296 - They had received a call from a worried mother 368 00:18:09,297 --> 00:18:11,048 whose daughter, Angelina Hopkins, 369 00:18:11,049 --> 00:18:12,508 who was 23 years old, 370 00:18:12,509 --> 00:18:15,260 and niece, Brenda Whiteside, age 20, 371 00:18:15,261 --> 00:18:16,720 had disappeared and not come back 372 00:18:16,721 --> 00:18:21,683 from an evening out, bar, on July 20, 1992. 373 00:18:21,684 --> 00:18:24,103 - They were last seen at the Blue Note bar. 374 00:18:24,104 --> 00:18:29,608 One of the sisters of the girls was also with them, 375 00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:33,529 and she said that they met these guys from Middletown 376 00:18:33,530 --> 00:18:36,199 and were invited back to the house. 377 00:18:37,117 --> 00:18:39,576 The one sister said, "I don't know who these guys are. 378 00:18:39,577 --> 00:18:41,578 I'm not going. You shouldn't either." 379 00:18:41,579 --> 00:18:44,331 The two girls did not listen to the sister. 380 00:18:44,332 --> 00:18:45,916 Sister came home. 381 00:18:45,917 --> 00:18:48,293 Two girls went missing. 382 00:18:48,294 --> 00:18:52,589 - Mrs. Hopkins told the police how highly unusual it would be, 383 00:18:52,590 --> 00:18:55,634 not just for Angelina not to appear, 384 00:18:55,635 --> 00:18:58,429 but for her cousin Brenda not to appear. 385 00:18:58,430 --> 00:19:01,765 Angelina Hopkins was not the kind of young woman 386 00:19:01,766 --> 00:19:05,018 who would not call her mom, who would not show up home, 387 00:19:05,019 --> 00:19:08,689 and that something terrible must have happened. 388 00:19:08,690 --> 00:19:12,026 The detective in the city of Poughkeepsie 389 00:19:12,027 --> 00:19:14,987 was not content to say, "Let's just look in Poughkeepsie." 390 00:19:14,988 --> 00:19:17,823 He took it upon himself to go to an adjoining county 391 00:19:17,824 --> 00:19:20,367 and advise them of this situation. 392 00:19:20,368 --> 00:19:22,411 As far as we could tell, 393 00:19:22,412 --> 00:19:23,871 there was no real connection 394 00:19:23,872 --> 00:19:26,457 between two women missing in Poughkeepsie 395 00:19:26,458 --> 00:19:28,042 with three gruesome murders 396 00:19:28,043 --> 00:19:29,294 in Orange County. 397 00:19:30,754 --> 00:19:33,756 While the police are trying to run down leads, 398 00:19:33,757 --> 00:19:38,886 the mother of Angelina Hopkins, one of the missing women, 399 00:19:38,887 --> 00:19:40,220 was so tenacious 400 00:19:40,221 --> 00:19:43,057 in trying to find out what happened to her daughter 401 00:19:43,058 --> 00:19:46,477 that she engaged on an investigation of her own. 402 00:19:46,478 --> 00:19:50,522 She took pictures of both these young women, 403 00:19:50,523 --> 00:19:53,400 Brenda and Angelina, to the Blue Note bar 404 00:19:53,401 --> 00:19:57,738 and showed them to anybody that she could, saying, 405 00:19:57,739 --> 00:19:59,740 "Have you seen these women here before?" 406 00:19:59,741 --> 00:20:03,535 And she had left her phone number with the bartender, 407 00:20:03,536 --> 00:20:06,121 advising him that if he saw anyone back in the bar 408 00:20:06,122 --> 00:20:08,707 who had left with her daughter and her niece 409 00:20:08,708 --> 00:20:11,503 to call Mrs. Hopkins immediately. 410 00:20:12,295 --> 00:20:13,796 [ Telephone rings ] 411 00:20:13,797 --> 00:20:16,673 The bartender did call Angelina's mom, Mrs. Hopkins. 412 00:20:16,674 --> 00:20:20,886 - He said the gentleman that the missing ladies left with 413 00:20:20,887 --> 00:20:23,431 is across the street, sitting in a car right now. 414 00:20:24,307 --> 00:20:26,266 - Mrs. Hopkins went down to the bar 415 00:20:26,267 --> 00:20:29,603 and confronted the individual who that bartender identified. 416 00:20:29,604 --> 00:20:34,066 The individual said that he had given a ride to the two women 417 00:20:34,067 --> 00:20:37,778 and some male friends of his to Middletown, 418 00:20:37,779 --> 00:20:40,114 and the last time that the individual saw the two women 419 00:20:40,115 --> 00:20:41,448 was when he dropped them off 420 00:20:41,449 --> 00:20:43,992 somewhere in the Middletown area. 421 00:20:43,993 --> 00:20:45,953 - So she took the plate number down, 422 00:20:45,954 --> 00:20:48,915 and she gave it to the state police. 423 00:20:50,125 --> 00:20:53,711 - The police identified the license plate as being stolen, 424 00:20:53,712 --> 00:20:56,714 and a state trooper initiated a traffic stop 425 00:20:56,715 --> 00:21:00,551 and are able to identify the person using that car 426 00:21:00,552 --> 00:21:03,637 as an individual by the name of Nathaniel White. 427 00:21:03,638 --> 00:21:05,682 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 428 00:21:05,807 --> 00:21:09,435 ♪ 429 00:21:09,436 --> 00:21:13,564 Nathaniel White was driving a car with a stolen license plate, 430 00:21:13,565 --> 00:21:15,774 and he was on parole. 431 00:21:15,775 --> 00:21:18,611 So that immediately was a parole violation. 432 00:21:19,612 --> 00:21:23,741 Since the Middletown area was a very small city 433 00:21:23,742 --> 00:21:27,119 with only minor crime problems, 434 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:30,456 the police want to talk to Nathaniel White 435 00:21:30,457 --> 00:21:33,417 as a suspect in this disappearance case, 436 00:21:33,418 --> 00:21:37,505 as well as the open murder cases from Goshen and Middletown. 437 00:21:39,174 --> 00:21:40,966 - As a result, 438 00:21:40,967 --> 00:21:43,510 they called in a polygraphist with the state police, 439 00:21:43,511 --> 00:21:46,096 who then conducted a polygraph, 440 00:21:46,097 --> 00:21:50,309 talking to Nathaniel about all the five cases. 441 00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:55,273 And Nathaniel adamantly denied being involved in any of them. 442 00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:59,526 After a period of time, the polygraphist came to us 443 00:21:59,527 --> 00:22:01,945 and told us he failed his polygraphs. 444 00:22:01,946 --> 00:22:04,199 He's royally lying through his teeth. 445 00:22:06,034 --> 00:22:09,662 Polygraphs are not admissible in a court of law, 446 00:22:09,663 --> 00:22:11,538 but we knew that he was definitely involved, 447 00:22:11,539 --> 00:22:15,167 so the investigators take over at that point. 448 00:22:15,168 --> 00:22:17,920 We brought him into the interview room. 449 00:22:17,921 --> 00:22:20,964 He agreed to talk to us without an attorney. 450 00:22:20,965 --> 00:22:24,718 Nathaniel White was a very quiet-spoken, 451 00:22:24,719 --> 00:22:27,137 relatively intelligent individual, 452 00:22:27,138 --> 00:22:29,556 laid-back type of guy. 453 00:22:29,557 --> 00:22:32,726 - Police began finding out about his background. 454 00:22:32,727 --> 00:22:37,022 Nathaniel White had grown up in the Orange County area. 455 00:22:37,023 --> 00:22:40,150 - He did grow up in a loving home. 456 00:22:40,151 --> 00:22:42,319 He was able to graduate college. 457 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,321 He was enlisted in the Army. 458 00:22:44,322 --> 00:22:47,324 He served about three years. 459 00:22:47,325 --> 00:22:49,493 But soon after he left the Army, 460 00:22:49,494 --> 00:22:51,579 he started to have some trouble with the law. 461 00:22:53,832 --> 00:22:55,999 - He had a prior conviction for armed robbery, 462 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,669 had done a substantial amount of prison time, 463 00:22:58,670 --> 00:23:00,212 had been released from prison 464 00:23:00,213 --> 00:23:04,091 before the murder of Juliana Frank in 1991 465 00:23:04,092 --> 00:23:06,927 and, then, shortly after his release 466 00:23:06,928 --> 00:23:11,515 had attempted to lure a young woman into his car 467 00:23:11,516 --> 00:23:15,936 and went back to prison on a parole violation for a year 468 00:23:15,937 --> 00:23:18,772 and was recently released before the murders 469 00:23:18,773 --> 00:23:22,026 of Laurette Huggins and Adriane Hunter. 470 00:23:22,027 --> 00:23:24,611 And he recently was fired from a factory job 471 00:23:24,612 --> 00:23:27,032 in the Middletown area. 472 00:23:28,616 --> 00:23:30,951 He blamed the stolen plate on his girlfriend, 473 00:23:30,952 --> 00:23:33,954 saying it's her car and her license plates 474 00:23:33,955 --> 00:23:36,999 and he didn't know anything about the source of the plates. 475 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,626 Mr. White was asked by the police 476 00:23:39,627 --> 00:23:40,836 about Hopkins and Whiteside, 477 00:23:40,837 --> 00:23:43,756 and he stuck with the version 478 00:23:43,757 --> 00:23:45,716 that he had given to Mrs. Hopkins, 479 00:23:45,717 --> 00:23:48,135 that he gave them a ride to the Middletown area, 480 00:23:48,136 --> 00:23:49,136 dropped them off, 481 00:23:49,137 --> 00:23:51,306 and that was the last he saw of them. 482 00:23:52,140 --> 00:23:55,476 When Nathaniel White was asked about Laurette Huggins, 483 00:23:55,477 --> 00:23:56,935 he admitted he knew her. 484 00:23:56,936 --> 00:23:59,063 - He told us how, 485 00:23:59,064 --> 00:24:02,274 as they were neighbors a couple of years earlier, 486 00:24:02,275 --> 00:24:04,818 they would say hi to each other in passing. 487 00:24:04,819 --> 00:24:06,111 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 488 00:24:06,112 --> 00:24:08,530 - When asked about Juliana Frank's murder, 489 00:24:08,531 --> 00:24:10,741 he claimed that he was in prison at the time, 490 00:24:10,742 --> 00:24:13,911 which police knew was untrue. 491 00:24:13,912 --> 00:24:16,663 Nathaniel White came up with excuses, 492 00:24:16,664 --> 00:24:18,749 but the inconsistencies of his story 493 00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:21,293 did not provide the police with probable cause 494 00:24:21,294 --> 00:24:23,671 to charge him with the murder of anyone. 495 00:24:23,672 --> 00:24:26,256 We didn't have the murder weapons. 496 00:24:26,257 --> 00:24:27,591 There was no DNA. 497 00:24:27,592 --> 00:24:28,968 All we had was the fingerprint. 498 00:24:29,761 --> 00:24:31,596 So they took his fingerprints. 499 00:24:32,263 --> 00:24:33,681 But the state police 500 00:24:33,682 --> 00:24:37,476 sent the fingerprint to the FBI laboratory 501 00:24:37,477 --> 00:24:40,146 and were waiting for confirmation. 502 00:24:41,314 --> 00:24:45,734 You can't imagine the volume of fingerprints that the FBI gets, 503 00:24:45,735 --> 00:24:48,737 and the FBI could take months. 504 00:24:48,738 --> 00:24:51,907 So police inferred to Mr. White 505 00:24:51,908 --> 00:24:53,325 that they knew it was his fingerprint 506 00:24:53,326 --> 00:24:55,327 and he might as well tell us the truth, 507 00:24:55,328 --> 00:24:58,164 because the fingerprint was gonna sink him anyway. 508 00:24:59,708 --> 00:25:01,709 - It's very common 509 00:25:01,710 --> 00:25:04,545 when detectives are interviewing a suspect 510 00:25:04,546 --> 00:25:09,258 that they give them a piece of information like that, 511 00:25:09,259 --> 00:25:10,718 like having a fingerprint, 512 00:25:10,719 --> 00:25:13,387 that may or may not be fully true, 513 00:25:13,388 --> 00:25:16,891 in order to see how the person is going to react. 514 00:25:18,351 --> 00:25:21,395 - At first, he denied that it would be his finger. 515 00:25:21,396 --> 00:25:23,230 "Well, who else's fingerprint would it be? 516 00:25:23,231 --> 00:25:26,650 Nobody else's fingerprint but yours." 517 00:25:26,651 --> 00:25:28,318 - He knew we had his fingerprint. 518 00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:29,653 The gig was over with. 519 00:25:29,654 --> 00:25:31,740 I believe that that's what broke him. 520 00:25:32,490 --> 00:25:37,328 - At which point, Mr. White then began to tell the truth. 521 00:25:44,377 --> 00:25:45,502 - To the police, 522 00:25:45,503 --> 00:25:48,380 Nathaniel White admitted to the three murders... 523 00:25:48,381 --> 00:25:50,591 [ Dramatic music plays ] 524 00:25:50,592 --> 00:25:52,176 ...and he told us what happened. 525 00:25:52,177 --> 00:25:54,303 ♪ 526 00:25:54,304 --> 00:25:56,805 I say, "Okay. Let's start with Juliana Frank. 527 00:25:56,806 --> 00:25:58,266 What did you do?" 528 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:00,768 - He told them 529 00:26:00,769 --> 00:26:02,144 he was out driving around 530 00:26:02,145 --> 00:26:03,687 in the early-morning hours 531 00:26:03,688 --> 00:26:05,689 and saw her walking. 532 00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:08,276 He then offered her a ride. 533 00:26:09,402 --> 00:26:12,112 - They went to have some drinks together 534 00:26:12,113 --> 00:26:13,989 and, then, he asked her for sex. 535 00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:15,324 They had sex together. 536 00:26:15,325 --> 00:26:18,202 And he started to explain to us for some reason, 537 00:26:18,203 --> 00:26:21,122 he started feeling anger come over him. 538 00:26:28,421 --> 00:26:30,005 [ Blade shings ] 539 00:26:30,006 --> 00:26:32,132 - He had lured her from the vehicle 540 00:26:32,133 --> 00:26:37,096 and beaten Juliana Frank to a point of unconsciousness, 541 00:26:37,097 --> 00:26:40,391 had undressed her, left her on the railroad track. 542 00:26:40,392 --> 00:26:43,185 But, then, he returns to his vehicle, 543 00:26:43,186 --> 00:26:46,313 gets out a knife, goes back, 544 00:26:46,314 --> 00:26:50,360 and begins to just stab her repeatedly. 545 00:27:07,210 --> 00:27:10,087 - Mr. White claimed that he did not know 546 00:27:10,088 --> 00:27:12,131 that Juliana Frank was pregnant, 547 00:27:12,132 --> 00:27:14,633 which is inconsistent 548 00:27:14,634 --> 00:27:17,344 with the manner in which her body was found, 549 00:27:17,345 --> 00:27:20,097 because the other two women who were stabbed 550 00:27:20,098 --> 00:27:22,726 did not have their bellies slit open. 551 00:27:23,727 --> 00:27:28,147 - Next, he told us how he was on his way home 552 00:27:28,148 --> 00:27:30,065 from a friend's house. 553 00:27:30,066 --> 00:27:33,736 He encountered Laurette Huggins carrying boxes, 554 00:27:33,737 --> 00:27:35,070 and he offered to help her, 555 00:27:35,071 --> 00:27:37,991 And they went back to the apartment... 556 00:27:39,451 --> 00:27:41,035 and he killed her. 557 00:27:41,036 --> 00:27:44,080 He said he had sex with Laurette Huggins, too. 558 00:27:47,167 --> 00:27:49,293 - And then he proceeded to tell us 559 00:27:49,294 --> 00:27:51,128 what he did to Adriane Hunter. 560 00:27:51,129 --> 00:27:56,008 - Nathaniel White admitted that he knew Adriane Hunter, 561 00:27:56,009 --> 00:27:59,262 who he said was a friend of his girlfriend. 562 00:28:19,157 --> 00:28:22,242 - There was no forensic evidence to support 563 00:28:22,243 --> 00:28:23,744 that he had had sex. 564 00:28:23,745 --> 00:28:26,663 - He was lying about the sex with all of the women. 565 00:28:26,664 --> 00:28:28,832 The forensic pathologist-- 566 00:28:28,833 --> 00:28:30,584 in fact, she made the statement 567 00:28:30,585 --> 00:28:32,878 that this killer's knife was his penis. 568 00:28:32,879 --> 00:28:37,007 The act of stabbing was actually his act of sex, 569 00:28:37,008 --> 00:28:39,302 in his own mind. 570 00:28:40,637 --> 00:28:42,513 I asked him what happened to these two girls 571 00:28:42,514 --> 00:28:44,932 that are missing from the city of Poughkeepsie. 572 00:28:44,933 --> 00:28:48,435 - At this point, there was no indication 573 00:28:48,436 --> 00:28:51,730 that those two young ladies were other than missing persons. 574 00:28:51,731 --> 00:28:56,610 - He told us he was drinking with friends at the Blue Note bar 575 00:28:56,611 --> 00:29:00,447 the night he met Angela Hopkins and Brenda Whiteside. 576 00:29:00,448 --> 00:29:04,451 The two girls came to Middletown, stayed overnight, 577 00:29:04,452 --> 00:29:07,997 and then Nathaniel was asked to take them back to Poughkeepsie. 578 00:29:07,998 --> 00:29:09,373 And he said okay. 579 00:29:09,374 --> 00:29:11,291 but instead of coming back to Poughkeepsie, 580 00:29:11,292 --> 00:29:18,341 he took them to a very desolate, non-populated area. 581 00:29:27,976 --> 00:29:29,685 - He described vividly 582 00:29:29,686 --> 00:29:32,479 the method of murdering those two young ladies, 583 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,898 about 100 or 200 yards from the location 584 00:29:34,899 --> 00:29:38,695 where Adriane Hunter's body was found in the village of Goshen. 585 00:29:39,696 --> 00:29:41,655 - He told us he parked the car and said, 586 00:29:41,656 --> 00:29:44,366 "Hey. I want to talk to you," one of the girls. 587 00:29:44,367 --> 00:29:47,578 And the other one stayed in the car as requested. 588 00:29:47,579 --> 00:29:52,291 - And he got this piece of metal from his car. 589 00:29:52,292 --> 00:29:55,377 He beat one of the victims first out in the woods 590 00:29:55,378 --> 00:29:57,087 after he said he had sex with her. 591 00:29:57,088 --> 00:30:00,632 ♪ 592 00:30:00,633 --> 00:30:02,426 - He goes back to the car 593 00:30:02,427 --> 00:30:04,845 and gets the other young lady, tells the young lady 594 00:30:04,846 --> 00:30:07,557 that her friend wants to speak to her in the woods. 595 00:30:08,516 --> 00:30:10,517 Claims that she went back voluntarily. 596 00:30:10,518 --> 00:30:12,311 She might have been dragged. We'll never know. 597 00:30:12,312 --> 00:30:15,147 Brings her almost to the same location, 598 00:30:15,148 --> 00:30:17,399 bludgeons her to death, 599 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,443 and repeatedly bludgeons both of them 600 00:30:19,444 --> 00:30:21,695 until he later admits he stopped beating them 601 00:30:21,696 --> 00:30:23,447 with this metal object 602 00:30:23,448 --> 00:30:25,949 when he became too physically exhausted 603 00:30:25,950 --> 00:30:28,161 to be able to beat them anymore. 604 00:30:29,162 --> 00:30:31,455 Which corresponds to the overkill 605 00:30:31,456 --> 00:30:34,209 of the three stabbing victims. 606 00:30:35,710 --> 00:30:37,002 - At that point, 607 00:30:37,003 --> 00:30:40,757 he gave us an eight-page confession to the five murders. 608 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,717 - During the course of the interview, 609 00:30:43,718 --> 00:30:46,512 we learned from the village of Goshen PD 610 00:30:46,513 --> 00:30:49,640 about a 14-year-old girl from their vicinity 611 00:30:49,641 --> 00:30:52,142 and didn't know what happened to her or where she went. 612 00:30:52,143 --> 00:30:55,646 Her name was Christine Klebbe. 613 00:30:55,647 --> 00:30:58,816 The last person to see Christine Klebbe 614 00:30:58,817 --> 00:30:59,817 was her uncle... 615 00:30:59,818 --> 00:31:02,403 ♪ 616 00:31:02,404 --> 00:31:03,780 ...Nathaniel White. 617 00:31:08,660 --> 00:31:11,203 - When asked about Christine Klebbe, 618 00:31:11,204 --> 00:31:12,746 the missing 14-year-old, 619 00:31:12,747 --> 00:31:14,206 Mr. White admitted 620 00:31:14,207 --> 00:31:16,792 that she was the niece of his girlfriend. 621 00:31:16,793 --> 00:31:18,127 [ Dramatic music plays ] 622 00:31:18,128 --> 00:31:20,587 He knew her, knew her parents, 623 00:31:20,588 --> 00:31:23,299 but didn't know anything about her disappearance. 624 00:31:24,676 --> 00:31:26,844 - Nathaniel White was not willing 625 00:31:26,845 --> 00:31:28,679 to admit to Christine 626 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:29,680 because she was 627 00:31:29,681 --> 00:31:31,516 a close member of the family. 628 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,853 He sat by, had dinners with them, 629 00:31:35,854 --> 00:31:37,813 played basketball with I believe her dad. 630 00:31:37,814 --> 00:31:40,274 Most days of the week was at home 631 00:31:40,275 --> 00:31:42,485 with her aunt, his girlfriend. 632 00:31:44,195 --> 00:31:47,239 - Jill Garrison, the girlfriend of Nathaniel White, 633 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,450 was brought in by law enforcement 634 00:31:49,451 --> 00:31:52,077 to try to ascertain if she knew anything 635 00:31:52,078 --> 00:31:55,664 about Nathaniel's involvement in any of these murders. 636 00:31:55,665 --> 00:31:58,250 She basically was in denial. 637 00:31:58,251 --> 00:32:00,711 We confronted her and said, "Hey, 638 00:32:00,712 --> 00:32:04,591 we believe that he killed your niece, Christine Klebbe." 639 00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:09,012 And she said, "No. Not him. He wouldn't do that." 640 00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:12,556 - I think Nathaniel White 641 00:32:12,557 --> 00:32:16,518 was a master manipulator, a con artist. 642 00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:19,938 I think he had manipulated everybody around him, 643 00:32:19,939 --> 00:32:21,899 including his girlfriend. 644 00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:25,402 ♪ 645 00:32:25,403 --> 00:32:27,571 - We went back to interview Nathaniel, 646 00:32:27,572 --> 00:32:29,198 and we finally said to him, 647 00:32:29,199 --> 00:32:32,034 "You're denying that you killed Christine Klebbe, 648 00:32:32,035 --> 00:32:33,911 but we already know you did. 649 00:32:33,912 --> 00:32:37,122 You just admitted to and confessed to five murders. 650 00:32:37,123 --> 00:32:39,583 One more makes no difference in New York State-- 651 00:32:39,584 --> 00:32:41,543 no difference at all." 652 00:32:41,544 --> 00:32:44,672 I said, "You're partially related to this family. 653 00:32:44,673 --> 00:32:46,757 It's your girlfriend's niece. 654 00:32:46,758 --> 00:32:49,343 Don't you want to give closure to her brother 655 00:32:49,344 --> 00:32:52,137 and his wife and the mother?" 656 00:32:52,138 --> 00:32:54,766 And he put his head down, and he goes, "Alright. 657 00:32:56,434 --> 00:32:57,977 I killed her." 658 00:32:59,938 --> 00:33:01,815 And, then, he explained how he did it. 659 00:33:52,907 --> 00:33:54,783 - After Nathaniel White was interviewed, 660 00:33:54,784 --> 00:33:56,118 he was asked, would he take us 661 00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:58,495 to show us where he dumped the bodies. 662 00:33:58,496 --> 00:34:00,331 And he agreed. 663 00:34:00,332 --> 00:34:02,709 He was handcuffed, shackled. 664 00:34:03,668 --> 00:34:06,795 And he led police investigators 665 00:34:06,796 --> 00:34:09,006 to the bodies of Angelina Hopkins 666 00:34:09,007 --> 00:34:10,591 and Brenda Whiteside 667 00:34:10,592 --> 00:34:13,470 in a field off of the town of Goshen. 668 00:34:15,305 --> 00:34:18,265 - Next, he went down on Echo Lake, 669 00:34:18,266 --> 00:34:20,643 where he killed Christine Klebbe. 670 00:34:21,811 --> 00:34:25,147 - Nathaniel White did not bury any of the bodies. 671 00:34:25,148 --> 00:34:26,565 As a result of the heat 672 00:34:26,566 --> 00:34:29,026 stretching from July into August, 673 00:34:29,027 --> 00:34:31,695 and, also, the animals that roam in that area, 674 00:34:31,696 --> 00:34:33,030 they were just skeletonized. 675 00:34:33,031 --> 00:34:34,615 They were just bones. 676 00:34:34,616 --> 00:34:37,868 He detailed everything explicitly 677 00:34:37,869 --> 00:34:39,870 as to what happened to these girls, 678 00:34:39,871 --> 00:34:44,375 and it was all consistent and corroborated with the scene. 679 00:34:44,376 --> 00:34:46,293 We knew we got the right guy. 680 00:34:46,294 --> 00:34:47,795 [ Down-tempo music plays ] 681 00:34:47,796 --> 00:34:49,630 [ Helicopter blades whirring ] 682 00:34:49,631 --> 00:34:51,465 - We started hearing helicopters. 683 00:34:51,466 --> 00:34:57,346 And a friend called and said these girls were found dead. 684 00:34:57,347 --> 00:35:03,102 And Barry did inform us that Nathaniel White killed Julie 685 00:35:03,103 --> 00:35:09,109 and that Julie was part of the other women's murders, as well. 686 00:35:11,569 --> 00:35:14,405 Took me a while to actually let it sink in 687 00:35:14,406 --> 00:35:15,949 that it was the same person. 688 00:35:18,243 --> 00:35:20,286 - I remember Nathaniel White. 689 00:35:21,287 --> 00:35:23,122 Years before she passed, 690 00:35:23,123 --> 00:35:24,248 my mother had a friend 691 00:35:24,249 --> 00:35:25,541 named Jill Garrison. 692 00:35:25,542 --> 00:35:27,960 My mom and Jill's friendship blossomed 693 00:35:27,961 --> 00:35:30,963 because of my friendship with her children. 694 00:35:30,964 --> 00:35:33,258 And Nathaniel White was Jill's boyfriend. 695 00:35:34,634 --> 00:35:36,844 I saw him occasionally. 696 00:35:36,845 --> 00:35:39,013 One time, Jill was driving. 697 00:35:39,014 --> 00:35:41,724 Nathaniel was in the passenger side. 698 00:35:41,725 --> 00:35:43,183 And so I'm right behind him, 699 00:35:43,184 --> 00:35:45,561 and I see him gazing out the window. 700 00:35:45,562 --> 00:35:47,479 And he's looking at the side mirror, 701 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,231 and I'm looking at him. 702 00:35:49,232 --> 00:35:52,359 And I make a funny face, and I'm like, "Ha ha!" 703 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,610 And he does nothing. 704 00:35:53,611 --> 00:35:55,446 I will never forget that-- 705 00:35:55,447 --> 00:36:01,828 his just blank, dead stare at me from the front seat. 706 00:36:03,913 --> 00:36:07,541 My mother passed a couple of months after that. 707 00:36:07,542 --> 00:36:09,918 What are the chances [scoffs] 708 00:36:09,919 --> 00:36:13,839 your mom's homegirl's boyfriend is a serial killer 709 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,051 and, like, she's murdered in that way? 710 00:36:17,052 --> 00:36:20,471 ♪ 711 00:36:20,472 --> 00:36:24,016 - There was a notice of a news conference sent out. 712 00:36:24,017 --> 00:36:29,480 They had arrested somebody, charging them with six killings. 713 00:36:29,481 --> 00:36:30,606 It's a big story. 714 00:36:30,607 --> 00:36:32,066 The producer says 715 00:36:32,067 --> 00:36:34,401 he's got something over at the jail. 716 00:36:34,402 --> 00:36:38,989 He says he's trying to get an interview with the suspect, 717 00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:40,658 because he wants to clear some things up. 718 00:36:40,659 --> 00:36:42,576 This was a drop-dead exclusive. 719 00:36:42,577 --> 00:36:45,412 We're live at the Orange County Jail in Goshen, New York. 720 00:36:45,413 --> 00:36:46,663 - On Monday morning, 721 00:36:46,664 --> 00:36:50,250 a news team from WNBC Television in New York City 722 00:36:50,251 --> 00:36:51,669 enter the Orange County Jail 723 00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:54,088 because Mr. White had agreed 724 00:36:54,089 --> 00:36:56,256 to conduct a videotaped interview. 725 00:36:56,257 --> 00:36:58,175 - So we're ready to do the interview. 726 00:36:58,176 --> 00:37:01,136 They bring Nathaniel White in. He sits down. 727 00:37:01,137 --> 00:37:05,182 He was calm, gentle. 728 00:37:05,183 --> 00:37:06,893 And it was just... 729 00:37:08,269 --> 00:37:09,979 jaw-dropping. 730 00:37:37,716 --> 00:37:40,843 - He was trying to minimize his involvement-- 731 00:37:40,844 --> 00:37:43,847 you know, his conscious involvement, so to speak. 732 00:37:45,807 --> 00:37:47,808 - We said, "Hey, you know, 733 00:37:47,809 --> 00:37:52,855 did you see any movie or TV show or anything 734 00:37:52,856 --> 00:37:54,898 that that might have set you off?" 735 00:37:54,899 --> 00:37:57,777 And he thought. He goes, "Well, I had seen 'RoboCop.' 736 00:37:59,279 --> 00:38:00,905 I killed like RoboCop." 737 00:38:26,097 --> 00:38:30,225 - Nathaniel White was trying to lay the groundwork 738 00:38:30,226 --> 00:38:31,811 for an insanity defense. 739 00:38:34,522 --> 00:38:35,732 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 740 00:38:35,857 --> 00:38:37,358 ♪ 741 00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:38,942 - The interview could have been an attempt 742 00:38:38,943 --> 00:38:42,696 to insert this possible defense 743 00:38:42,697 --> 00:38:44,239 of insanity 744 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,075 by talking about having voices 745 00:38:46,076 --> 00:38:49,204 and how movies made him do it. 746 00:39:00,965 --> 00:39:03,884 I do not believe that Nathaniel White was insane. 747 00:39:03,885 --> 00:39:08,013 I do believe that he knew that what he was doing was wrong. 748 00:39:08,014 --> 00:39:10,557 - After looking at the video interview 749 00:39:10,558 --> 00:39:12,059 that Mr. Young conducted, 750 00:39:12,060 --> 00:39:14,061 I'm saying to myself, 751 00:39:14,062 --> 00:39:16,231 "There's gonna be an insanity defense." 752 00:39:17,691 --> 00:39:21,068 But we never received from the defense attorney 753 00:39:21,069 --> 00:39:23,070 the notice that they're required to file. 754 00:39:23,071 --> 00:39:27,491 - So, he actually recanted what his statements were 755 00:39:27,492 --> 00:39:29,493 to the police and to Lou Young, 756 00:39:29,494 --> 00:39:31,328 said he made a mistake. 757 00:39:31,329 --> 00:39:33,163 He didn't mean it. He didn't kill them. 758 00:39:33,164 --> 00:39:34,832 He felt like he was coerced. 759 00:39:34,833 --> 00:39:36,542 We went to trial-- full trial. 760 00:39:36,543 --> 00:39:41,213 ♪ 761 00:39:41,214 --> 00:39:44,258 - Trying Nathaniel White as a serial killer 762 00:39:44,259 --> 00:39:47,845 was a first for me and a first for Orange County 763 00:39:47,846 --> 00:39:52,934 and hasn't occurred in the 33 years since Nathaniel White. 764 00:39:54,394 --> 00:39:57,604 The trial lasted four weeks. We had 75 witnesses. 765 00:39:57,605 --> 00:40:02,943 But the hardest part was seeing the families every day. 766 00:40:02,944 --> 00:40:05,571 - During the trial, 767 00:40:05,572 --> 00:40:07,072 it was my duty to be there 768 00:40:07,073 --> 00:40:10,452 to let the jury know people loved Julie. 769 00:40:11,536 --> 00:40:14,038 I heard the autopsies. 770 00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:16,248 Every story of each one of the girls 771 00:40:16,249 --> 00:40:19,210 was worse than the other. 772 00:40:20,378 --> 00:40:23,047 - Mr. White testified on his own behalf. 773 00:40:23,048 --> 00:40:25,132 He was very smooth, 774 00:40:25,133 --> 00:40:27,217 was very cool, was very collected. 775 00:40:27,218 --> 00:40:31,722 I could understand in listening to him testify 776 00:40:31,723 --> 00:40:33,891 how smooth he could be 777 00:40:33,892 --> 00:40:37,603 to be able to convince a woman to go somewhere with him. 778 00:40:37,604 --> 00:40:41,190 Look at Ted Bundy, and you look at Nathaniel White. 779 00:40:41,191 --> 00:40:43,108 If you met him in a social setting, 780 00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:45,277 you'd probably have a conversation with him 781 00:40:45,278 --> 00:40:47,279 and think, "What a nice young man." 782 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,409 You never know what's going on in the mind of a serial killer. 783 00:40:52,410 --> 00:40:55,329 The jury deliberated for a total of five hours 784 00:40:55,330 --> 00:40:56,663 before returning a verdict. 785 00:40:56,664 --> 00:40:59,583 On each count, Nathaniel White was guilty 786 00:40:59,584 --> 00:41:02,337 of the crime of murder in the second degree. 787 00:41:05,673 --> 00:41:08,926 - And judge literally threw the book at Nathaniel White 788 00:41:08,927 --> 00:41:12,680 by giving him 150 years to life 789 00:41:12,681 --> 00:41:18,019 to make sure he never walks this Earth again and sees sunlight. 790 00:41:33,284 --> 00:41:41,125 - Nathaniel White stole an amazing woman from this world-- 791 00:41:41,126 --> 00:41:44,753 a truly good person, 792 00:41:44,754 --> 00:41:50,467 a wonderful mother, sister, friend to all. 793 00:41:50,468 --> 00:41:55,222 I will never be the same because of it, 794 00:41:55,223 --> 00:41:57,891 but I know her spirit, her presence 795 00:41:57,892 --> 00:42:02,063 lives on through me and I'll be stronger from it. 796 00:42:04,024 --> 00:42:09,653 And I think it's important to remember all six of these women, 797 00:42:09,654 --> 00:42:13,532 who they were to their family and their friends. 798 00:42:13,533 --> 00:42:18,620 And I pray that their spirits continue to live on 799 00:42:18,621 --> 00:42:20,372 through their family and friends.